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Sudharak : aaj baryach diwasanni? lekh chhan aahe.
Satish : lekh chhan aahe.
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V_sameer
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| | Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 5:44 pm: | 
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Sudharak: >>"So that occasionaly they can use that language whereever appropriate. (e.g talking with old close relatives like grand parents and also with people on the street like vegetable vendors and bus conductors.) When they do it that way, they will not attract such a silly cry from such fanatics."
Are you any less a fanatic when it comes to defending English? Its just the way you look at things. Others do not have to look at it the same way. And you never replied to BHM about your logic being circular. Or did I miss the posting?
Anyway..Ya Marathi mule mala Acharya Atre, C. V. Joshi, Pu La, Va Pu, Khandekar, Go. Ni. Da, etc he milale. Tyache upkaar kase re fedu? Marathi sodli asti tar he sagle gele aste. Tya ulat English che koni author miss nahi zale re...Agdi Dickens, Hardy, pasun John Grisham, J. K. Rowling(Harry Potter fame) paryanta sagle milale. So in the final bargain I finish a lot richer than the person who does not know Marathi. I have the best of both worlds. Only regret is I dont know more languages.
arre ajun hi "Nach re Mora" mala jasti avadte.."Aata tuzi pali meech dete Tali" yachat kiti gammat aahe te bagh jara...kar bara he english madhye translate. Before you get me wrong, I will never ask anyone to translate Wordsworth's Daffodils " My heart with pleasure fills and dances with the daffodils" into Marathi. Each is right in his own place. My point is:
The role of a language, any language, is to convey ideas. So a language by itself does not make a person intelligent. It is just a medium that allows that intelligence to be manifest. So why bother about the form, look at the core. BTW the form itself isnt bad to look at either. ;-) Each language has its own beauty. My concern as a "Rasik"/conossieur is to grasp the beauty of the thing. Mala G. B. Shaw cha Pygmalion solid avadta. Mhanun Pu La ncha "Ti Phoolarani" la me kami lekhat nahi. Both authors were equally brilliant. Intelligence he kuthlya race chi "Jagir" aahe ka?
Baki, zakki, as usual tumchi varchi postings sahi aahet.
BHM: Neatly written.
aaj barech divsaani lihila. Bara vat-tay jara !!! :-0
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| | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 3:33 pm: |
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[tkI XaaMtta ka AahoÆ
bahutok sauQaark marazI iXaktÜya
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Navanava
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| | Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 3:29 am: |
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V_sameer, chhan ahe tumca post! I agree, mi svataha kadhi Marathi shikle nahi, ani fakt kathakathan chya cassttes var PuLa, VaPu etc goshti aiklya, natka Prism chya video cassettes var pahili... Vactana bot laun laun vacayla lagta.. I doubt I will ever be able to read Sriman Yogi/ Garambi ca Bapu. Hya ulat, English madhe BA miLvun sudha, (ani english ca khoop prem asun sudha), no English author can make me cry the way a Marathi author can. Kitti kavita vaclya pun Shakespeare pasun Shelley paryant kuthehi sadhya powadyatli maja aali nahi! I am only beginning to re-discover Marathi and I thank my stars for it.. Mumbait 'RaNaNgaN' (natak) pahila hota.. ardhe dialogs dokya varun gele... but it was a fantastic experience. Tutka tutka jari mala Marathi bolta aala tari it is far more precious to me than fadfad English bolna..
Ani bhasha hi human subconscious madhe rahte. My childhood memories do not include faltufanda Mother Goose rhymes.. rather, I remember all those lovely Shivaji+MaLwe gaani. English kay paachvi pasun shikta yeta, ani motha zalyavar pick up pan karta yeta. Pun matrubhasha madhe lahanpanapasun shikla nahi ki na dhad ikadce, na dhad tikadce 
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| | Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 4:20 pm: |
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You are right.
Languages serve one purpose or other. Now that you have found that your mother tongue 'caters' to a purpose, you are eager to learn it and use it. This is an appropriate attitude.
I too understand and can speak these vernacular languages well. However I make it a point not to use them without purpose. For example, there are a couple of friends of mine, who are sort of what I call 'language love fanatics'. Whenever I happen to see them in street or in marketplace, I am particular to start and end the dialogue in vernacular saying "How do you do?" and "see you."(both in vernacular) The entire dialogue in between is in English. This has its advantages. These 'language lovers' get a satisfaction that an English talking person like me is speaking their language.
This way one can have best of both the worlds.
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| | Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 8:53 pm: |
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The way I see it is: U have a hierarchy in ur mind. English is at the top and Vernacular languages are down the line. I disagree. You CANNOT have a "Rank" on a language that is solely decided by a head count of the ppl who use it. If we hold such a view and relegate vernacular languages to a lower status we are the ones who stand to lose. Along with a language a whole body of thought would be gradually lost. It has happened before. Welsh is an example. The language is gone..almost..
Do you really think that just by beginning a conversation in marathi, having a dialogue in english and then closing with a farewell in marathi you are satisfying "Language Lovers"?? Do you think people are so naieve? Are u seriously suggesting that this marathi-english-marathi strucutre gives you the best of both worlds!
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Sameer, Sudharak - Nice posting!
I believe that if u know more languages, it will help u to know world in a better way. After all u need some tools for communicating with the world around u. If the guy is staying in America then its all time better for him if he is well versed with English language than Marathi (or whatever his mother tongue is.) Looking at the present age, English is more prioritized because its accepted as a international language. But this does not mean that u one should give up his mother tongue. Most of the people claims that they can express themselves more better in their mother tounge than any other language. But personally I feel, knowing english language is a need for today's age. When I finished my graduation & start searching out for a job, I was performing very poor in interview & one of the most severe reason for it was my miserable english. That time I was blaming my fate as to why my parents couldn't put me put in english medium school. But later my views changed, I met many people in Pune n Mumbai, who did thier high-school education in Marathi medium & still they were fluent at English. The reason is surrounding! In India, only in Metro's, people communicate in English. So, even if the guy in admitted English medimum school & if his surrounding is not english then still he will face problems when he wants to communicate in English. When I shifted my job from Pune to Mumbai, I got more better surrounding for improving english. And now I really don't face that much problem like what I used to face during my college passed-out days! There are some more reasons, like in small city, people feel its over-smartness if u r communicating in English when there is absolutely no need to speak in English. But one thing is true, one can pick up English language if he knows its basic & he has an aversion towards english stuff.
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| | Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 12:52 pm: |
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[qao ek AaNaKI mau_a Aaho. kdaicat kÜNatIca BaaYaa QaD yaot nasalyaanaoÊ kaya baÜlaavao ha p`Xna pDtÜ.
malaa marazIÊ ihMdIÊ ina Amaoirkna Mga`jaI ³jyaat maulao XaaLotUna pass out na hÜtÊ f> pasa hÜtat´ yaa itnhI BaaYaa naIT yaotat. %yaamauLo ijaqao jaI BaaYaa caalaU Asaola itqao
maI tI BaaYaa baÜlatÜ AaiNa ijaqao ihMdI marazI caalat naahI itqao Amaoirkna [MiglaXa baÜlatÜ.
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Shonoo
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| | Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 4:32 pm: |
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Jai@k
maI sauwa Baartat XauQd marazI maaQyamaacyaa XaaLot iXaklao. XaojaarI pajaarIÊ ima~ maOi~NaIÊ naatovaa[k
sava- marazI ikMvaa BaartIya [Mga`jaI baÜlaNaaro hÜto.
tir sauwa AayauYyaat pihlyaaMda pasa Aa]T vhayalaa vayaacaI pMcaivaXaI AÜlaaMDavaI laagalaI AaiNa tohI
svaKcaa-nao²
Aajakala maulao maulaI sara-sa dhavaI baaravaItca pasa Aa]T hÜtat. Aamacao naXaIbaca fuTko ~D
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V_sameer
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| | Friday, May 31, 2002 - 7:44 pm: |
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jara vishay badlu..
How old is our language? Did it evolve from Sanskrit? If Yes, when? If No, then could someone expound on it? Where does it have its origins?
Mala athavta..Ghari Ek Molesworth chi dictionary aahe. Lahaanpani kadhi pahili nahi..Nantar kal-la ki Shree Molesworth yaani kiti kaam kelay..
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Navanava
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| | Friday, May 31, 2002 - 8:20 pm: |
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V_sameer, I believe Marathi and Tamil are considered the closest to Sanskrit. Pan Marathi chi lipi Devanagri ahe, Tamil chi nhave. Mhanun Marathi is a tad closer...
I'm not sure but that whole issue about tamils wanting to speak tamil and NOT Hindi has its orgins in this so called superiority of Tamil (in their mind) coz of its closeness to Sanskrit.
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V_sameer
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| | Monday, June 03, 2002 - 6:49 pm: |
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navanava: I was not talking about the script. People must have been using the language even before the script was used. Maybe they used a diff script. I don't know. I am just shooting in the dark...:-)..Was it that "Gavaa kadchi Marathi" was Sanskritised and it evolved to "Puneri Marathi"?
But who were our ancestors? Aryans, Dravidians, someone else?.That could give some idea. I am sure that there must be Bibles written on this topic. But Sadly I dont have al the time. So i put it on this BB..
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navanavaaÊ
taimaL caa AaiNa saMskutcaa kahI saMbaMQa naahI . hI ekca daixaNaa%ya BaaYaa AaXaI AahoÊ ijacaa ]gama
saMsËut psaUna Jaalaolaa naahI.
ihMdI ho laÜk baÜlat naahIt yaacao karNa %yaaMcaa AaDmauzopNaa Aaho. yaaMnaa svatÁcaI BaaYaa AaiNa svatÁcao
rajya yaapilakDo kahIhI maaihtI naahI.
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Bhm
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| | Monday, October 28, 2002 - 6:59 pm: |
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http://www.esakal.com/static/raviwar7.html
marazIt Anaok navao Xabd Aalao Aahot AaiNa yaot Aahot jasao email bread muffler [%yaaid. Aata (aMcao ilaMga ksao zrvaayacao ? kahI maapdMD zrvata yaola kaya ? varvar ikrkÜL vaaTNaara ha p`Xna baáyaapOkI ikcakT Aaho. Aqaa-t Aaplyaatlao Anaok naga Asao Aaho mhNaUna
marazI ivasara AaiNa [Mga`jaIcaI kasa Qara mhNaNaaro inaGatIla. tÜ ek shortcut Aaho Kra.
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Beti
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| | Monday, October 28, 2002 - 11:56 pm: |
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malaa waaTate tyalaa samaandharmee marathee shabd asela tyache ling toortaasa tyaalaa waaparaawe.. udaa. te patra.. te e-mail. tee bhaakaree .. tee bread .. aataa yaata upaprashna aahetach.. jase aneka samaanaarthee shabda asateela wa te bhinnalingee asateel .. tara donheesa maanyataa dyaawee laagela. anyatha te jyaa bhaaShetoona ale tyaateela lingaprayoga karaawaa..
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AaXaIXa
tamaIL AaiNa sansËut caa sambanQa naahI ha caukIcaa samaja Aaho. tamaIL BaaXaa saNsËut pasaUna svatn~
barIca AaQaI JaalaI Asao bayaa-ca BaaXaaXaas~&ancao mat Aaho. ho pT\vnyaacao puravao doiKla baroca
Aahot.
ihndI BaaXaoca janma Ôar AilakD\ca Aaho. ihndI vyaaËnaacao pihlao pustk 1920 ³saala na@kI Aaqavat naaih
puna saaQaaÉNa´ ilahIlao gaolao. BaÜjpUirÊ maOqaIilaÊ rajasqaaina }dU- AXyaa Anaok BaaXaatUna ËUi~mpnao
(a BaaXaolaa janma idlaa gaolaa. AaAja hI dr vaiXa- gyaaja,oiTer maQao naivana ihndI Xabd Asaa Baaga AsatÜ.
%yaat navaIna navaIna BaartIya BaaXaancao Xabd incorporate kolao jaatt. ihndI ica sauÉvat jarI ]<aBaa-it-ya AslaI trI hLU hLU %yaacyaOt Anaok BaartIya BaaXaancao
Xabd GaalaUna tI BaartIya banvaaycaa p`ya%na caalaU Aaho.
ihndI saInaoma maQyao jao ihndI vaapla- jaato to bahUd }dU- Asat. toca Kro ihndI samjaUna di@Xanaa%lao
laÜk dUravlao jaatt. AamcyaasaKo- maumbaOkr %yaalaca ihndI samajtt. ha maÜT\qa gaOsa-maja dUr (aylaa hvaa.
(a p`XNaavar Xaasana kahIca ksao ivacaar krt naahI (acao AaXcaya- vaatto.
malaa pihlyaanda jaovha hI gaÜXT ek XaaXakIya BaaXaat&a kDNa kLila tovha ivaXvaasaca basalaa naaih.
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Bhm
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| | Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 7:17 pm: |
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baoTI malaahI AaplyaasaarKoca vaaTlao kI marazIt eKaVa javaLpasacyaa vastUcao jao naava Asaola %yaacao
ilaMga %yaa navyaa vastUlaa Vavao.
%yaa nyaayaanao ba`oD s~IilaMgaI karNa BaakrI is~illaMgaI. pNa pava ha Xabd kuzUna Aalaaya ? tÜ puillaMgaI ka Aaho ? AaiNa %yaacao ilaMga ba`oDlaa ka naahI ? tsaoca caorI (a fLacao ilaMga ksao zrvaayacao ? kokcao ilaMga kaya ?
computer ha gaNakyaM~ mhNaUna to ka saMgaNak mhNaUna tÜ ? pona ho sara-sa to pona Asato. pNa baÜ$ ha puillaMgaI AaiNa laoKNaI hI s~IilaMgaI. fax (a p`karacao ilaMga kaya ? computer program ikMvaa software (acao ilaMga ksao zrvaNaar ?
email ho p~ mhNaUna to. pNa Tpala AalaI mhNatat ka Aalao ka Aalaa ? Dak AalaI kI Aalao ? AaiNa (a XabdaMpOkI kuNaacao ilaMga email laa doNao jaast yaÜgya ?
malaatrI baáyaapOkI ikcakT p`kar vaaTtÜya ha. Aqaa-t t& maMDLI kahItrI maaga- XaÜQaU XaktIlaca.
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tmaIL AaiNa saMskRt (a dÜnhIhI BaaYaaMcao AayauYya javaLpasa saarKoca Aaho.malyaaLma hI BaaYaa tmaIL AaiNa
saMskRt yaa dÜna BaaYaaMpasaUna tyaar JaalaI Aaho. Xaas~Iya puravao maaJyaakDo naahIt. [qao ³tamaILnaaDUt´Anaok
laÜkaMXaI cacaa- kolyaavarca malaa ho samajalao . AaiNa hI vastuisqatI nasaola tr yaa laÜkaMcyaa Aa%makoMid`t
vaR<aIcaa tÜ Ajauna ek puravaa zrola.
tumacyaa kDo kahI AaQaar AsatIla tr Ëupyaa [qao Vavaot.
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Baviskar
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| | Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 5:58 am: |
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AaplaI baÜlaI Aaplaa baaNaa marazI maaNaUsa KUp XahaNaa
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Vijay
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| | Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 12:42 pm: |
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bhm
maraizcaa maI jaovaZa AByaasa kolaa Aaho %yaavaÉna ilaMga zrvaNyasaaiz kuz\laaca inayama naaih Asao idsato.
tsaa inayama kÜNa%yaaca BaaYaot naaihyao Asao malaa vaaTto. ilaMga ho AapNa tÜ Xabd baÜlaI BaaYaot jasaa
vaap$ tsao zrto... no rules
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Zakki
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| | Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 4:30 pm: |
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ivajayaÊ inayama nasaolaÊ pNa saMskRt maQao AYTaga`hI ina paiNanaIcao vyaakrNa hI pustko standard mhNaUna samajatat. baakIcyaa gaÜYTIMnaa AaYa- p`yaÜga mhNaUna caalavaUna Gaotat. jasao sa%yamaova jayato
² pNa tÜ AaYa-- ca Asalaa paihjao. maaJyaa caukaMnaa maI AaYa- p`yaÜga mhNat AsaoÊ pNa maastraMnaI maaJao
kQaIca eoklaoca naahI²
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Vijay
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| | Friday, June 11, 2004 - 5:01 am: |
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Ja@kIÊ AroÊ maastraMnaI kolaolyaa caUkaMnaa AaYa- p`yaÜga mhNatat. AaiNa ivaVaqya-MnaI kolaoyaa AaYa-
p`yaÜgaaMnaa caUka mhNatat ²²
btw...tuja,o naava kLu Xakola ka...Jai@k mhNaayalaa ksaotirca vaaTto
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