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Prashantl
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| | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 10:46 pm: | 
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by Ashishchaskar
Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 2:29 pm:
>> "Consciousness can never be created nor destroyed, but can be reflected in one form or other. The total amount of consciousness in the universe always remains constant."
I guess this is defination of energy and NOT of Consciousness. According to me 'Consciousness' is state of mind. 'Consciousness' can be existed or can not be. Either 1 or 0. Whereas 'Energy' is existed everywhere in different forms. Energy and Conciousness can not be compared for any reason. Correct me if I am wrong.
If total amount of Consciousness is going to reamin constant, then total number of 'enlighted people' will also be remain constant, isnt it? mhanaje mag ek enlighted manushya melyaashivaay malaa enlightment miLaNaar naahee Ase Aahe ka?
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Prashantl
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| | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 10:47 pm: |
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It may be argued that only one Consciousness actually exists in the universe, and that individual minds are merely "local," or individual manifestations of the One. Let us consider what this implies.
In the following when I refer to a "state of consciousness," I mean that at least one mind is conscious. When I refer to "a state of unconsciousness," I mean that no mind is conscious.
Logically there are only two options: either a state of consciousness exists, or, if not, a state of unconsciousness comes into being. Suppose for some reason we wanted to prevent a state of unconsciousness from coming into being. The only way to achieve this would be to have a state of consciousness to begin with, and then maintain this state of consciousness indefinitely. On the other hand, if we wanted to prevent a state of consciousness from coming into being, we would first of all have to have a state of unconsciousness and then maintain this unconscious state indefinitely. If, in the former case, we were to cease to maintain consciousness, a state of unconsciousness would necessarily come into being. Remember, logically we have only two options: either a state of consciousness exists or else a state of unconsciousness comes into being, and vice versa.
There is a certain problem with the second scenario, in which a state of unconsciousness is maintained. When we speak of maintaining something, we are, in effect, acknowledging the existence of a present which is maintained--a persistent present. As discussed in "The Theory of Persistence," however, there can be no present without consciousness: the present is consciousness-dependent.
A state of unconsciousness can come into being only if there exists a persistent present. But since a persistent present cannot exist without consciousness, we must conclude the following: a state of unconsciousness can never come into being--it can never exist.
Since unconsciousness can never occur, logically consciousness must always exist. The problem here is that the human mind is only finite in duration: the existence of human minds does not satisfy the requirement that consciousness always exist. We must assume that, in addition to all finite minds, there exists an infinite mind--one that must always have existed and will remain to exist (persist) indefinitely. If we do not assume the existence of this infinite consciousness, we do not satisfy the requirement that consciousness always exist. An infinite consciousness (God?), therefore, exists in the universe of logical necessity.
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Prashantl
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| | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 10:56 pm: |
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Enlightenment is purely the knowledge or dnyan gained by mind. Whether all minds on the earth are enlightened or zero , total consciousness still remains the same and whole. so last Q is invalid.
A human being is a part of a whole, called by us "universe", a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.
- Albert Einstein
Hope this clears few doubts...
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Radha_t
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| | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 4:32 am: |
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can we discuss a human being's Consciousness Vs a robot's Consciousness ??
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Prashantl
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| | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 3:19 pm: |
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or we can put it as if AI can create consciousness in machines - like Terminator robo.
Personally I don't think it will happen. Without external inputs/preprogramming robo can not function or think on it's own and make choices. At the most it can imitate a human very closely, but it won't experience the world like we do and derive emotions/pain/joy etc out of it...
Without any senses or withdrawing all senses you can feel that you still exist and you can narrate that peaceful/blissful experience later. Robot can't do that. as simple as that.
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p`XaaMtÊ
malaa AjaunahI conciousness AaiNa enlighmet maQalaa Ôrk kLt naahIyao.
Before discussing whether conciousness is existed or not, let me first understand , what 'conciousness' means? Uptill now I was considering both are same. But as per your posts , it seems , those are different from each other. So can you please 'enlight' me on 'conciousness'? 
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Prashantl
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| | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 4:07 pm: |
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answer is in your last line...
enlightement is getting the knowledge of supreme power and being one with the whole and expanding your senses beyond the boundary of your body.
Consciousness is the feeling that you know you exist and you're at the center of the universe.
every being is conscious - human, plants, animals etc but only humans have capability to reach a state of enlightenment or realize the the supreme knowledge.
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If it is so, then I need some time. I need to read and study more on this.
Aa<aa pya-Mt maI enlightment mhNajao saMpUNa- AanaMd AXaI Avasqaa samajat hÜtÜ. ijaqao duÁK kaLjaIÊ inaraXaa pÜcaU Xakt naahI AXaI
Avasqaa. yaa Avasqaot Aaklana Xa>I hI kmaala patLIvar Asato karNa pUva-ga`hriht AXaI hI Avasqaa Asato.
Aqaa-t maI qaÜDoÔar kRYNamaUtI-Ê AÜXaÜÊ ivamalaa zkar vaacalao %yaava$na maaJaa ha AMdaja Aaho. caukIcao
AsaolahI.
Ajauna [qao cacaa- JaalaIca tr malaahI Ôayada hÜla.
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Shrini
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| | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 5:43 pm: |
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just to clear some confusion...
enlighten, enlightenment (not enlightment)
consciousness exists (not, is existed)
thanks!
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Thanx. this is one more enlightenment.
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Bee
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| | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 4:13 am: |
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What is the marathi word for enlighten and consciousness? is sub-conscious means 'supt-awastha'?
shrini:thanks.. good info.
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Wakdya
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| | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 4:38 am: |
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Aro baabaaMnaU malaa Dictionery Gaovauna basaayalaa laagato Aaho ro² p`XaaMt tumacao p`abaÜQanaa%makÊ ]d\baÜQak ivacaar dovanaagarItuna
maaMDu Xakala tr Aamacyaa saavaQa ina sajaga ica<aasa to capKlapNao Aaklana hÜvau XaktIla.. baGaa jar
sahja Xa@ya Asaola trÊ Anyaqaa Aaho tsao caalau VaÊ Cana Aaho
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Prashantl
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| | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 3:28 pm: |
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giving a try...
consciousness : caOtnya Ê jaaNaIva
super consciousness : prma caOtnyaÊ prma sa<aocaI jaaNaIva
soul : Aa%maa
super soul: prma Aa%maa
enlightenment : ba`*ma&anaÊ saticatAanaMd Avasqaa
enlightened : ba`*ma&anaI
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Raja
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| | Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 10:01 am: |
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(aca gaÜXTIvar mahakiva ga,ailaba naM AsaM mhTlaM hÜtM ik...
hOM ga,Obao ga,Oba ijasakÜ samaJatoM hOM hma XauhUdÊ
hOM #,vaaba mao hnaÜja, jaÜ jaagao hOM #,vaaba maoM
mhNajao... AapNa jyaalaa d`uXya samajatÜ..to KrM mhNajao Ad`uXyaacaMhI Ad`uXya $p AsatM ..jasaM eKaVanao
AapNa svaPnaat jaagao AahÜt AsaM paihlaM trI vaastivakpNao AapNa JaÜpotca AsatÜ.
cauk BaUla Va Gyaa.
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Raja
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| | Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 12:11 pm: |
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ithe koni alach nahi ka nantar....ki ghalib na ha vishayach band karun takla?!!!
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Aro yaa ivaYayaavar baÜlaa.. Kup [MTrosTIMga Aaho
maoGaa
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Deepj
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| | Monday, July 19, 2004 - 6:26 am: |
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Consciousness mhanaje jagrookata/janeev! aaplya avati bhavati ghadnarya gostinchi jaaneev asane ani tyncha aaplya jeevanavar kasa bara vaeet parinaam ya baddal jagrook rahane! Megha, tuze mat kaay?
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idpÊ
maaJaI bauwI caalato itqapya-Mt vaaTto ka^inXaAsanaosa mhNjao jaIva%va.. jao AaplaM saaáyaa jaIvasa`uYTIcaM
baoisak AstI%vaM.. p`%yaok jaIvaacaa jaIva%vaacyaa mau#ya s~ÜtaXaI svatM~ saMbaQa Aaho ikMvaa Asaavaa
.. mhNauna kdacaIt ek jaIva%va maalavat Asatanaa dusaáyaa jaIvaalaa %yaaMcaI jaaNaIva AaQaI ikMvaa tÜ
jaIva jaatanaa hÜt naahI..
yaa jaIva%vaacyaa pilakDo AsaNaaro Asao ek inarakar AstI%vaM jaaNaIva jaI Aaplyaa sagaL\yaaMnaa kayama
jaÜDuna zovato.. yaacyaa varcaI AapNa caZvalaolaI AsaM#ya puTM .. par kÉna @vacaIt yaa sauxmaastI%vaaXaI
Aaplyaalaa ekÉp hÜta yaotM..
Aro Aata kÜNaItrI maI saaÔ caukIcaM baÜlat Aaho AsaM mhNauna trI yaa ivaYayaavar baÜlaa..
maoGaa
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Deepblue
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| | Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 6:13 am: |
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Consciousness ³caotnaa´ (a ivaYayaavar vaO&ainakdRYTyaa ivacaar krNaaro ho dÜna laoK..
saaT 1
Professor Ashok Sharma a former Indian professor of Applied Physics.. who was also a scientist at Harvard University.. has formulated some path-breaking theories and postulations based on the ancient Vedic Sciences that give us some powerful insights into the gray regions of the human mind.. and help us understand our consciousness.
Ajauna majakur yaoqao vaacaa
saaT 2
ARE you conscious? How do you know? What is consciousness-our thoughts.. feelings.. hopes and dreams; the hidden voice of our private selves; our inner identity? What might consciousness consist of? All of us think we can understand consciousness.. but none of us can explain it--therein lies its mystery. Think about yourself reading this chapter.. and at the same time.. observe yourself thinking.
Ajauna majakur yaoqao vaacaa
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Deepj
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| | Monday, July 26, 2004 - 12:31 pm: |
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Megha, kon mhaNel tu chukich boltes? arthath mee sangitale te vichar mhaNaje sarvsamanya staravaril zale, ani tu je vichar manDales te agadi aDhyatma varil aahet! farach chaan!arthath, aaplya saarakhya sarvasamanya janani charaachar shrushitshi aaple nate asalychi janeev (consciousness) Thevali tar adhyatmapalikade vichaar karaNyachi aapli vyapakata vaaDhoo shakate, he khare nahee ka?
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